“Enter the Stevie”

by Xeno

He can be cool, witty, or classy at any time. Ranking up to the top of the PUA foodchain, Stevie_PUA has his own insights and explains his game FULL THROTTLE, no holds barred edition style. He lays it all out on the table and doesn’t take any prisoners along with him. In this interview, you will find out about his thorough breakdown of his ultimate game, his recent “Special Guest” appearance at the TD & Papa workshop in London, being contacted for ASF release into mainstream hands, his systematic approach to Kino calibration, his possible private release of pick up footage, meeting his idol Mystery, rapport specifics & techniques, and much much more included in this long in-depth interview with Stevie_PUA.

Xeno: What is your full name?
Stevie_PUA: Steve. I need to keep my full identity private due to my job. That is why I also blank out my photos.

Xeno: What is your age?
Stevie_PUA: 29

Xeno: Where do you currently reside?
Stevie_PUA: Newcastle, England

Xeno: How is the PUA scene over there where you live?
Stevie_PUA: It is not advanced. Most of it is caveman style. I find someone with even an average amount of real game skill can do well because HB’s are not used to it. It is mostly a party city. Lots of drinking, good time girls.

Xeno: Have you made the trip to the states yet?
Stevie_PUA: Yes. I have family in Pennsylvania. I have also been to Arizona, Florida, South Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, and New Jersey.

Xeno: Formhandle recently just held the 2003 Boston PUA Convention a few weeks ago. Would you like to see more in the future?
Stevie_PUA: Sure, why not. Anything that brings people together and helps promote learning and friendship and a sense of community.

Xeno: Would you think you would be able to make it if there was another similar event held?
Stevie_PUA: I’d love to meet up with people in the States. I will travel there before too long. Whether I get to a future conference like that is more a matter of being free from work than the will to go. I’d love to meet up with guys in the states. American girls seem to like me anyway, I don’t know why .

Xeno: How is life going for you at the moment?
Stevie_PUA: It is going well. I am happy with my progress over the last few years. I am not as good as I want to be(I think only a few people are) and I am continuing to push myself to improve. Outside of PU, my state is really good and has been for a couple of years. I find even when not thinking consciously about PU, the training you do rubs off into other areas of your life. If you learn to control your state and thoughts about HB’s, you can take that control and transfer it to other areas of life. And yet, even when I’m not thinking about PU, on some level I am always thinking about it. I can’t switch it off completely.

Xeno: What would you like to do as your career?
Stevie_PUA: I am happy in the one I am in for now. That is the realistic answer. If you want a fantasy, I’d be the next Dirk Diggler or Tom Cruise (I think I am a pretty good actor by all accounts- my intent never leaks out!) or a treasure diver.

Xeno: What kind of music do you like to enjoy to listen, any specific bands? Any specific songs?
Stevie_PUA: I like the Smiths, Dylan, Pulp, Joy Division, New Order, The Fall, Oasis, Blur, Elastica, Police, Sex Pistol, REM…it is a long list. A lot of it is either 80s/Britpop/or 60s stuff with strong lyrics. I like music which has some meaning in the words. Something that stimulates my mind and gets me thinking about life.

Xeno: How long have you been in the game?
Stevie_PUA: Since I was 14.

Xeno: Since you have been in the game for all those years, how have you seen the “game” in general progress? Has it gotten harder? Easier?
Stevie_PUA: When I was 14, there was no theory to worry about. In that sense it was easy, you just made a request and chicks went along with it because they were 14 too and had few bitch shields. As you get older, the girls get more sophisticated. They learn to play the game, usually they learn faster than the guys do. The guys are busy watching football matches and fighting while the girls are talking all the time about relationships. The HB’s generally get a head start. So I spent a few years playing catch up and learning some basics. I was always good intuitively, but I had to learn the specific skills and ways of thinking. Overall, it got harder in the early 20s for me but easier once I started training for real. Not so much the age I think, more just the stage at which I started training for real.

Xeno: Were there any negatives through your whole PUA experience so far?
Stevie_PUA: If you count getting “rejected” in the early days before I had good state control, then that was pretty much as bad as it got. But I soon learned that rejection is a good thing. It shows you are taking EXACTLY the right kind of action that is necessary for growth and real life learning. I mean I never got beaten up by any husbands! Though Deborah the Dancer’s ex man came around one night while I was in her house and I shit myself for a few minutes.

Xeno: How has the PUA lifestyle changed you as a whole? Were you ever a dork before?
Stevie_PUA: No, I was never a dork. I was pretty quiet at times. I am a lot more rounded as a person now. I am much more talkative, outgoing, confident. I feel much centered now and happier too.

Xeno: What got you interested into alt.seduction.fast anyway? Were there goals you wanted to achieve? Was it just a hobby you wanted to take part of?
Stevie_PUA: I got into ASF through Ross’s materials. He started ASF. I wanted consistency. I could do well sometimes, yet it wasn’t always repeatable. Also, I knew I needed to work on the inner game. I was giving the HB’s too much power that they didn’t deserve. I needed to have better state management. It was more than a hobby. More like a way of life. Like I said before, I can’t switch off the PU thinking. It runs 24/7. It is all I think about on a primitive level. I am always the lead actor in my own script. I always seem to see myself from a camera up above…I can distance myself from the event and watch it play out like in a movie. I think I need an audience.

Xeno: When you first entered the seduction world, what was your first reaction to it? Did you think this seduction material was all crap at first?
Stevie_PUA: No, not at all. I thought there was a gold mine of good material. I remember finding Maniac’s site in 2000 and it blowing my mind. I knew I’d come home.

Xeno: Do you believe in Ross Jeffries and his Speed Seduction material to be helpful when used by itself? It seems that it is advocated in TFM?
Stevie_PUA: I definitely believe it is useful in a number of ways. The mindset is one you can take to just about any other method- not supplicating, being a challenge, engaging her, making her work for it. That is a mentality you can use in your favor all the time. When I use SS, I use it in a way that I know works for me. You have to know how to use it so it sounds natural. I have met people who just don’t know how to use it. It is a skill you really need to spend some time working at in order to learn it well. I talked with MarqueOne in Newcastle and he thought SS sounded false…until he heard me using it. Then he said he thought it sounded really natural. I use it in a way that fits my personality. I think that it is vital. If you parrot words and don’t make it fit the situation, it can sound robotic or too heavy. And we need to differentiate SS patterning and SS. SS is bigger than patterning. That is just a subskill. I often use it to build light interest in the “selling myself” stage and then again more heavily once I have got IOI’s from her and know she is ready for some heavy seducing.

Xeno: What kind of method and tactics and techniques do you use to incorporate into your game?
Stevie_PUA: I use SS, MM, C&F, Tyler’s material, sexual evolution theory, Ericksonian hypnosis, NLP, Bandler, set theory, anchoring, patterning, teasing, busting, phase shifting, conveying personality, etc. I could go on. This list is not exhaustive. Magic too, mind reading, cold reading, and palmistry.

Xeno: What target HB group are you sarging? Early 20s, 7-8s?
Stevie_PUA: 20s/30s. 7s-9s. I rarely see a 10 where I live and of those, I am getting 7s to 8.5s. I want to be getting 9s. That is my goal. Told you I want to get better.

Xeno: What condom do you recommend for the PUA’s?
Stevie_PUA: I have been using Durex Elite. I think it’s pretty good.

Xeno: Now in your whole lifetime, what would be a rough estimate to the number of girls you have laid?
Stevie_PUA: Fucked about 25 only. Been sexual(oral, fingers, etc.) with perhaps 40. Kissed hundreds.

Xeno: In your mind, who is your perfect 10?
Stevie_PUA: I don’t know if I have one. I see some chicks who are stunning to look at, but don’t have the personality to match. For me she has to have the face, body, and personality. She has to be an interesting and interested person.

Xeno: I have heard that you are working on your attraction game. How is that going at the moment? Have you mastered it or are you still compiling it?
Stevie_PUA: I am getting quite good at it. I am using C&F, busting, teasing, Push/Pull. They are working well. I am experimenting TD’s formula of going for attraction first and then using my rapport skills. I find it works well for me like that.

Xeno: What kind of state builders do you use? Do you push the girl into a lot of different states or do you let the conversation proceed naturally?
Stevie_PUA: No, I lead. I definitely don’t let it proceed naturally, whatever that means. Naturally for who? There is “naturally” for different people. I have an agenda when I sarge. I firstly want to meet people. I want to entertain them. To have a conversation. I want to see if they are worthy of more. If they are hot, I want to test if they have more going for them. If they show IOI’s, I want to see how far I can push them and so on. I don’t let it happen naturally in that sense. I am working within a series of frames, always testing and judging if, and when, they are ready to move on. And deciding when and how they should be moved forward if they are worthy. So no, it doesn’t happen “naturally”. They might THINK it feels natural to them. But to me, I am moving them according to my agenda. And that doesn’t have to be a bad thing either. I am never going to push someone into something they don’t want to do. I am totally respectful of a firm decision based on considered opinion. But I will initially take the lead and watch to see if they are ready to follow my lead, or if they need to be handled differently.

Xeno: Do you think NLP is essential? Would it only serve as a supplement to someone’s game?
Stevie_PUA: NLP uses techniques that some people have been using for ages anyway. It just quantifies them and makes them more explicit and easier to model and learn. It is not essential to PU in itself, but many of the skills it teaches are very useful at times. It is definitely worth studying if you want to learn to communicate to people in a more effective way.

Xeno: What kind of attitude do you impose when you sarge? A “I don’t give a fuck about anything” attitude?
Stevie_PUA: No. I am entertaining and looking for rapport from the start. I always go for differentiating myself and getting inside how the person thinks. I am always looking for an inroad into their experience. I might initally combine rapport building with busting(they are NOT mutally exclusive). In a sense, internally, I think “I don’t care if she digs me or not”, as there are millions of chicks. But in another sense, I am respectufl and treat her as a person. Yet in a way, that says to her that I am not going to be around. She know, or should know if I sell myself well, that here is a guy who has value, yet who is not needy and who can meet others, who will in turn sense his value.

Xeno: What kind of strategies do you use when you are in rapport? Do you use any specific order or techniques to gauge her interest even further?
Stevie_PUA: I try to get a hook into her experience. In rapport, I mirror. Remember mirroring is a sign you are ALREADY in rapport, not a magical technique to create rapport from nothing. I use my words to entertain. I often circle through themes, all the while looking for non-verbal IOI’s from her. And when I get one, I run with it. I take what she offers in terms of themes and trancewords and amp them up, repeating them in a similar, yet non-obvious way, so as to bring them to life in connection to me. They become anchored to being with me. I sometimes use mindreading in rapport phase to heighten the experience that we are connected. I could go on and on in this area but time is limited and SO much to me is instinctive.

Xeno: For your game, what kind of body language do you emphasize on?
Stevie_PUA: I can’t easily describe body language, yet it is a MAJOR, MAJOR part of why I often do well. It comes largely from my facial expressions which are either very congruent with my verbal communication(so my agenda does not seep out) or are AMBIGUOUS- the target does not know if I am serious/joking/interested/uninterested. I have had a TON of chicks say they don’t know if I am joking with them sometimes. I can control that ambiguous communication so it serves me, i.e. I can, in the right circumstances, make suggestions which are sexually/romantically ambiguous. This allows one to seed ideas in her mind and she doesn’t know for sure if she is thinking of them herself spontaneously or if you are putting them there deliberately. This creates states of wonder and intrigue and allows you to influence in a covert, yet very powerful way.

Xeno: Do you show your sexual state/sexuality in a confident way right off the bat, something like Gunwitch does? Do you just take things smoothly & slowly?
Stevie_PUA: I do show a state that is confident. I think that is very important for most sarges. Yet, I think I don’t often do a sarge that is really blatently caveman. I can do that if I want(I like to be able to do different styles to suit the occasion). And again, I don’t take it slowly either. I fuck with their minds in a way that on some level communicates that I am sexual and have value, yet in away that for them is hard to define exactly what I am signaling. The advantage of that is they credit themselves with these feelings that, actually, might have been suggested to them by me. And because I know those feelings are sneaking in there and that the chick isn’t thinking “he is doing that deliberately”, it allows me to go under the radar and bypass resistance before they can compute it consciously. I typically go for making a non-sexual/ambiguous impact and one I have that inroad, use it for leverage into something bigger.

Xeno: Do you agree with Gunwitch’s material? How have you used it in your sarges?
Stevie_PUA: I read Gunwitch’s material and saw how it could be useful to guys who are learning the game. I knew much of what he was talking about anyway. I used what he talked about anyway from time to time, though for me, the thrill of the chase and getting inside her mind is what it is all about. The banging is amazing too, but it is conquering her and having her admit she wants me- that is the real thrill.

Xeno: How do you apply KINO progression subtely so you don’t come off as creeping her out at first? Is there a specific order you implement or just go naturally?
Stevie_PUA: Yes, there is a system. Start very light. And I only start it when I am established with the chick. Once she sees you are an ok guy and that you have something to offer(ideally when you have got IOI’s) then I begin kino. It can happen with seconds if she gives a response that is very positive early on. Other times, it might take 5 to 10 minutes to get past the bitch shield or shit tests. I will rarely spend much longer than that on a chick if she is not responding. It’s just not worth the effort generally as there ARE lots of chicks who are interested in opening up early to you or who at least will give an opening which can be steadily built upon.

Xeno: What kind of character do you like to project for girls? A bad boy, classy, or something else?
Stevie_PUA:: Something intriguing. Not bad boy. Certainly a little class but mostly a little of something else. A certain je n’cest quai. I don’t know what. Excuse my poor French. In Swedish they say, “jag forsok att visa en lite jag vet inte” or so. I try to firstly stand out and capture their attention. I show something different and get them thinking actively about what I am saying. I try to create rapport. To learn within a minute how they respond to people in general. And I watch for positive responses I can repeat and amp up in my favor.

Xeno: What is your preference to sarge more, Groups or Lonewolfs?
Stevie_PUA: It is changing though I don’t want it to. I used to prefer to go myself and that is how I’d usally do it. Yet, the last 5 months or so, I have lacked the motivation to go out myself. It has been a sticking point that comes from having FB’s. I think to myself “I already have a few chicks who are into me and I have banges, so it doesn’t matter if I sarge new chicks. I get lethargic. That is something I want to change because I like sarging myself.

Xeno: Do you think it’s important to have a wing in your daily outings?
Stevie_PUA: No, not so important. You need to be able to be self-sufficient. A wing is a bonus. It can be useful once you go solo(lone wolf). But master the basics first. Become self reliant and then have a wing later. Otherwise, you can get to the point where you depend on your wing to go out with you or you can’t go out. That is the danger anyway.

Xeno: What kind of tactics do you use when you’re doing groups? Mystery Method Style or something of your own? You recently posted something on disarming the guys first in an advanced post?
Stevie_PUA: Oh generally I use MM, yes. I entertain them and go under the radar.

Xeno: Do you prefer to use canned material or just natural conversation flow?
Stevie_PUA: I have tried both. Overall, I think it is better if you can come up with material tailored to the situation or the person you are communicating with. Though, I can see value in using scripts if you can make them naturally congruent with your way of communicating.

Xeno: What do you do with AMOG’s who keep annoying you? Do you use a AMOG destroyer or simply ignore them?
Stevie_PUA: I try to either befriend them or blow them out. Tyler did some good tactics on blowing out AMOGs by offering the guy $100 for him to take the HBs off your hands(said in front of the HBs!).

Xeno: Do you think the term “alpha” should be taken seriously? Everyone is flaming each other and saying “oh that’s not alpha, that’s beta.” Should you just be yourself or should you be the most alpha as you can be?
Stevie_PUA: Look at the smaller picture a little and see what is necessary specifically to your game on a skillset level rather than talking in generalities about what is alpha. Keep it practical.

Xeno: Do you think with girls whom you have been “LJBF’ed” before, should you run game on them? Is it even worth it since you are already labeled by them as just a friend?
Stevie_PUA: My answer is no, I try to just meet someone new, now that I have the skill to do that.

Xeno: Do you think giving compliments to a girl is ideal once a while when you feel like it? Should it be just given when you think they deserve it or does it just seems supplicative?
Stevie_PUA: They should be given mostly in the rapport phase, when she has already seen your value. Then you don’t come across as someone trying to slimely ingratiate himself into her life with compliments. Once she has seen that you have value and is attracted, she will want to get to know who you are. As a reward, and as a reward especially for when she has done something to please you in rapport(comfort) phase, you can give a compliment. You can use C&F compliments in attract phase to build attraction, but these are not your classical attempts to get “in” with her. Then they are used in a playfully obvious way, e.g. “You are from Rome OMG, I LOVE you…I love people from Rome, you can be my new wife…but hang on, can you cook good Italian food?” These kind of compliments communicate a different meaning to your regular “I like your dress” compliments.

Xeno: Do you have any current LTR’s right now? What do you think the purpose of them are if you could just get any other girl at any time you liked?
Stevie_PUA: I can’t get any chick I want all the time. I wish I could. I am not that good. I am still learning and practicing. I have one serious FB, one occasional FB, and 2 others I am seeing(one who I have fucked).

Xeno: Do you think one should work on inner game first and then consume the material or the other way around?
Stevie_PUA: Simultaneously. Read, try out, post, learn, try out. It can happen in any order but it must all happen if you want to progress. I think it is important to have a higher percentage of infield time than online time. Maybe 80/20, 70/30, or 60/40 in favor of the real world, depending on the person and their stage of understanding.

Xeno: Where are some good places to sarge in your own preference?
Stevie_PUA: I like bars which have music but not really loud. I like places where you can move about and meet people…not those with static table bound crowds. Clubs can be good I admit, but my club game needs to be better. I do well on the street/trains too.

Xeno: Which do you prefer: nighttime PU or daytime street sarging?
Stevie_PUA: It depends on the location. I can do nighttime or daytime. Overall, maybe nighttime but I prefer pubs and bars to nightclubs simply because my club game is not as strong and in bars I can talk to people without shouting in their ear. In a bar, you can use more complex/intelligent game. I find in clubs that I have to shout so loud, that I can’t do the things I can usually do in a bar/pub. And the street or shops are ok daytime or nighttime. I was out in London with Papa and Sickboy and I did some good sets. They even videoed some of it in Papa’s Sony Clie. There was a really nice daytime 4 set in a clothes shop. I must ask Papa to send me a copy.

Xeno: Do you believe routines and props serve to be useful in sarges or are they just extra baggage?
Stevie_PUA: They can be very useful. You can lock chicks in. You can use tarot and hand writing analysis(see Orion’s Magical Connection Video for a good example of this). Props are useful for sure. It depends of course on the prop, the chick, the environment, and the stage of the sarge that you use them in. I don’t believe there is a magic bullet to solve all PU’s with though. Use sparingly and well in the right circumstances.

Xeno: Do you believe in peacocking to give you that “celebrity aura”? How does it help from your point of view? What kind of accessories and clothes do you wear?
Stevie_PUA: Yes, I think peacocking is helpful. I have a party shirt that I wear, it is flowery and it stands out. I bought a “magic jacket” recently with magical symbols on it which helps me open the theme of magic and give demos of mindreading. I have some stripper pants with zips up each leg. I have glitter for my hair(though only use it for clubs) and have necklaces, rings, and bracelets. A funny thing is both me and Spirit have independently chosen the same peacocking neclace! It was really fun when he saw my necklace and said “I have that one!” Peacocking helps you stand out, reflects your inner personality, makes people curious about you, and gives shy chicks an excuse to open you with a comment on what you are wearing. You can even lock chicks in by putting your hat on them and then going off to sarge other chicks as pawns before returning for your lock in prop.

Xeno: What is your most favorite aspect of the game and why? Whether it be attraction, rapport, sex itself, or conversing with other people. What is your take?
Stevie_PUA: The thrill of the chase. The seducing of them of having her into you. Using your skills to attract her both mentally and physically, to make her want me as much as I want her. That is what I love. In terms of what I’m good at: I am good at calibrating, rapport building, and physical closing once I sense IOI’s. And pretty respectful in the bedroom by all accounts. I love the sex too of course, especially with someone who I have fucked with before, then you know what you both want and how to pleasure each other. That is why recruiting FB’s is so rewarding.

Xeno: Who are your influences and inspirations, say your role models in the PUA world and real world?
Stevie_PUA: Well Mystery, TD, Papa, Sickboy. My mother, my dad(as a NEGATIVE influence in that I don’t want to become like him as he is so boring and AFC and just sits in front of the TV all week), my friend “Natural” Mike, probably the best PUA I have spent lots of time with(I hung with the other guys only for a few days). Teachers from school who inspired me, songs I like that energize me, my former boss in Hamburg. I COLLECT rolemodels. And I use the word MODEL explicitly here because I DO model them. I figure out what it is about their behavior or communication that I find useful and try to incorporate it and their way of thinking into my life. I should have mentioned Style as being an influence on me too earlier.

Xeno: Who is your biggest influence currently on your game right now?
Stevie_PUA: Now, Tyler. I still am influenced strongly with MM and SS. For SS, I think the mindset rocks- the non-supplicating, challenging, making her work for it. I rarely do canned patterns. What I do is a lot of on the fly story telling and building states after I’m in the rapport/comfort building/isolation stage.

Xeno: I heard you were recently a special guest in one of TD’s and Papa’s workshops. August 2nd? How was your experience in that?
Stevie_PUA: It was great. I’d met the guys 2 weeks before and hung out with them. They wanted me to teach on the workshop but I have to work at my job every other weekend or so. I hung out with them over a couple of days and it rocked. They are cool guys. TD is a good teacher and really knows his stuff.

Xeno: How is TD IRL? Is it an exaggeration that he is obsessed with the game?
Stevie_PUA: I think he is very much into the game, yes. In a good way. He wants to get good and to help others improve too. He is very focused. He was very civil and welcoming to me, he was good to be around. I have heard people call him, but he couldn’t have been nicer to me. We hit it off well and I like TD a lot. He has so much to offer.

Xeno: What is your opinion on seduction seminars and workshops such as those with Mystery and Tyler Durden & Papa Combo?
Stevie_PUA: I think they are a good idea on a few levels. The most important is that people get to see skilled guys in action. There are so many things you can’t convey in text form. You have to see the facial expressions, the body language, to hear delivery of lines, to sense the energy of the interaction, to notice the timing. A workshop teaches you that. Also, it allows you to ask personalized questions and get one-on-one help for any sticking points. And being around guys with the same interest is motivating and gives you a push, I find.

Xeno: If you were interested in participating in more of the workshops, would us mASF’ers be seeing you in many more workshops to come?
Stevie_PUA: For sure. I have been invited to the next TD & Papa workshop at the end of August in London, and I will go assuming I am free from work that weekend. I also loved hanging with Mystery at the MM workshop in London. The game is a passion of mine and I can think of a few things(beyond the obvious) more rewarding than hanging out with guys who share the same passion and learning and teaching together with them.

Xeno: How was Mystery anyway IRL? Is he really good in the game as many people have claimed or did he fall short of your expectations?
Stevie_PUA: He was great. I walked into the meeting place and BANG, there he was fully peacocked, sarging 2HB’s- who later kissed me goodbye based only on the premise that I knew Mystery.

Xeno: Are you currently developing any kind of method like a Stevie_PUA method? Have you figured out any new stuff that you would be sharing to the community?
Stevie_PUA: I have thought about writing a new long article about my recent learning but don’t know when it will be out. I tend to get inspired from other people and write about how I use their methods in my personal way. Yes, there are new things I can talk about. For example, using mind reading.

Xeno: Do you have any upcoming audio updates for your site?
Stevie_PUA: I plan to do some new recordings now that I have my new recorder. So, yes, watch out for some over the next few weeks. I am so busy in the summer with work you see…it is the busiest time of year for me.

Xeno: You mentioned once and asked people what they would think of PUA Videos. Do you think it would be beneficial at all? You wouldn’t get any feedback and plus its not IRL?
Stevie_PUA: You know, I think PUA videos would be great!!! They are able to show the nonverbal communication that is so hard to understand otherwise. I have seen guys doing sarges in the field who are great, yet they are doing stuff that is not easily quantifiable in a written form. I learned so much from watching “Natural” Mike- his voice tone, his gestures, his enthusiasm, and “devil may care” attitude.

Xeno: Do you plan on releasing videos of any of your PUA sarges anytime soon? Have you considered it?
Stevie_PUA: Yes, I have considered it. I worry a little about the privacy though. I have a job that is a little sensitive. Papa has videoed me in action in London and I am proud of the 4 set in the clothing shop in Camden Town that he videoed. I don’t think it is going to be a general release but I might consider posting it in the future if I can protect my own identity. There comes a point in this kind of work though where you start to cross over from public access work to work in selling things I find. It seems to happen naturally when you are in demand. And I have never set out to sell anything in PU. It was always about learning and helping others in return. Yet, I find when people appreciate you have something valuable, they are willing to pay a price to have it. I am not at that point yet. Frankly, I don’t think I am good enough. My theory side is good and my practical side is good SOMETIMES(as Papa and Sickboy will tell you- I showed them some interesting stuff while we were out in London together) but I really want to be good like Mystery. That, to me, is the benchmark. I might go videos in the future, but at the moment, I am not ready, though it would be a dream to make good money for sarging HBs. That is most of the guys’ fantasy job.

Xeno: What are your favorite movies PU related and real world?
Stevie_PUA: I like the magical connections video from Orion. I like Tom Cruise in Magnolia. Swingers was fun but remember it was only a movie. I enjoyed Dangerous Liasons, Naked, Terminator 3, Catch Me If You Can, the Eastwood Spaghetti Westerns, Indiana Jones, Cyrano de Bergarac, and Minority Report. It’s hard to recall them all. Also, I forgot to mention one of my favorite films to you earlier, “Fight Club,” watch Tyler Durden. A great example of a guy with a reality that is centered on himself. That is important in some ways. If you have a reality which says “I don’t care what others think”, then there is no shitting yourself in doing an approach. If you are the center of your world and don’t care about what others think of you, then you don’t give a shit if you get your result. You just learn to keep going and refine your approaches with every approach you do.

Xeno: Do you ever think ASF will get exposed to the public as in society where it is shown on TV and the effectiveness of this material wouldn’t be the same as it is now?
Stevie_PUA: It is a possibility, yes. I got contacted by a media guy a few months ago asking me to speak at a film premiere in London. I wasn’t ready for such a public event so I didn’t get involved. That shocked me a little. I didn’t think movie directors read mASF. If there are film premiers, there are press members. And I didn’t want to go public. I value my privacy. That incident is the reason my photos were taken down on my site. So yes, I wonder/worry a small amount about ASF going public.

Xeno: So he knew about ASF in particular?
Stevie_PUA: Yes. Surely he read my posts as he knew enough about me to value me enough to invite me to a film premiere as a guest speaker. But I wonder how many people really use the material on ASF. I think a lot of people read the material and post but don’t always use it in real life. But if word got out, I’d be concerned. Imagine seeing your mug on Oprah Winfrey one night- “Watch out for these guys! Look at this Stevie guy….always opens with a neutral opener so you don’t feel threatened.” What a bastard he must be.

Xeno: How do you see the mASF community in 5-10 years?
Stevie_PUA: I really don’t know. I am sure there will be some new good material to incorporate. But I don’t know if the site is as good as it was 3 years ago. I hope I am wrong and that is not a trend. I mean the site looks good, but the posts are maybe not as good. Lots of the best posters have left or retired or (GULP) settled down!!

Xeno: Would it be a good idea to introduce this stuff to new guys? It’s better if seduction is not as known where only 1% of the whole population knows it. Isn’t it better to keep it to yourself so there is less competition and less AFC’s?
Stevie_PUA: Well that is one way to look at it. You can look at it that way, but then again, if you close it off too much, you stop new blood and potentially new ideas getting out there and you benefiting from them. I think the people who are actually serious about the game will get to the good stuff through their contacts in the game. People who are serious will do what it takes to meet up in real life and meet guys, sarge with them, chat with them, and that way you get to learn lots of insider material that people have.

Xeno: What kind of advice would you give to an AFC who is starting in the seduction community?
Stevie_PUA: Have a balance between real world and online. Don’t sit at the PC reading all the time. Read for some of the time and go out and try it for real. Don’t be a keyboard jock. You could even record your sarges and get feedback. The real world is where it is all happening. Read and apply it. Of course you will mess up. Just accept that as inevitable and as a sign that you are taking the right course of action.

Xeno: Do you ever plan to get married in your whole entire lifetime?
Stevie_PUA: Maybe when I am older. Somewhere near 35-40 years old…maybe not. At the moment, I have no plans. I am having fun being single. I was in a relationship with a Swedish chick for over 4 years so I have been there and done that. Maybe in the future but not now. I don’t really see the need to marry right now.

Xeno: What keeps you motivated to be a PUA? Many guys quit PUAdom altogether and never return. What would you recommend to other guys who feel down and don’t want to sarge any more?
Stevie_PUA: I know guys who get caught up in the online game. They see other PUA’s making progress and when they don’t make the same progress, they get defeated. Look, progress comes in any area if you have the balls to stick with it and you have the same basic abilities that everyone has. A basic belief in NLP is that if one guy can perform in a certain way, then so can you(within reason). I see super HBs sometimes with guys who are plain WEIRD looking and I know these guys have something beyond their looks. And what do they have? They have personality, game, and charisma. And that does not depend on looks, although good looks are definitely an asset of course. I get motivated by my psychological desire to improve and learn, my sex drive to bang HB’s, my desire to help others, and my ego(sorry but it’s true) of recognition for achieving good results with chicks(if only my dad had given me good feedback in my teen years, then there might have been fewer chicks who had fun with me).

Xeno: Thanks for you time. You have any last comments or messages to the mASF community and the real world?
Stevie_PUA: Just that I am happy to contribute and to continue learning with people who are serious and dedicated about the game and who are cool to hang with.

*Note from the author, Xeno: Stevie was a cool guy to hang out with. He has a fountain of knowledge on rapport skills and he has a whole broad landscape of his attraction game. He has a lot of tools and utensils to make his game successful. His style is pretty cool and I wouldn’t mind hanging with him when we crossed paths.

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